ABN Silver Quanto Certificate NL0000401271.. a megasconto...

Trovato!Non vedo il controvalore accreditato. Ora chiedo.
Grazie
 
Daee ha scritto:
Trovato!Non vedo il controvalore accreditato. Ora chiedo.
Grazie

OK!
considera 6gg lavorativi dal giorno dello stop. Con tutte ste feste rischi di vederli sul conto martedì
 
Mi hanno detto che ho perso l'intero importo perchè ha ragiunto l'evento barriera!
Era il sdabnfwtims80dc06 Lo vedo in portafoglio non negoziabile a 8,17. Mi hanno detto dhe quando raggiunge la barriera si perde l'intero importo.
Era un minishort. Non dovrebbe avere valore residuo?
Grazie
E' la prima volta che mi capita...
Per fortuna l'importo era piccolo
 
Daee ha scritto:
Mi hanno detto che ho perso l'intero importo perchè ha ragiunto l'evento barriera!
Era il sdabnfwtims80dc06 Lo vedo in portafoglio non negoziabile a 8,17. Mi hanno detto dhe quando raggiunge la barriera si perde l'intero importo.
Era un minishort. Non dovrebbe avere valore residuo?
Grazie
E' la prima volta che mi capita...
Per fortuna l'importo era piccolo

Controlla qui i valori di rimborso
Era NL0000043503?

http://www.certificates.it/showpage.asp?N=0&Ne=10600000+10640000&pageid=94&locale=ITP
 
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Daee ha scritto:
Mi hanno detto che ho perso l'intero importo perchè ha ragiunto l'evento barriera!
Era il sdabnfwtims80dc06 Lo vedo in portafoglio non negoziabile a 8,17. Mi hanno detto dhe quando raggiunge la barriera si perde l'intero importo.
Era un minishort. Non dovrebbe avere valore residuo?
Grazie
E' la prima volta che mi capita...
Per fortuna l'importo era piccolo


non so con chi tu abbia parlato ma ti ha detto una grossa scemenza.
I minifutures di Abn Amro hanno tutti un valore di rimborso, a meno che il massimo segnato dal sottostante nel giorno dello stop loss, sia uguale o maggiore al current strike.

nel tuo caso, il current strike era 83,5471..e mai il Petrolio WTI ha toccato quel valore.
Perciò il valore di rimborso che ti verrà accreditato sarà di 6,6562 euro a certificato.

Controllalo sulla pagina stop loss del sito che ti ho dato, e confrontalo se vuoi sul sito di ABN (che ti ha linkato PEK)..ma non sempre li aggiornano. Stavolta c'è.
 
grazie. domani ritelefono e gli faccio un .....così
 
Sembra che l'ETF sull'argento sia finalmente stato approvato... ma il prezzo per ora non è che ne approfitta molto... probabilmente era scontato ormai.

WASHINGTON, April 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. Securities and
Exchange Commission said on Thursday that the registration
statement for Barclays Global Investors' iShares Silver Trust
was declared effective, removing the final regulatory obstacle
to trading in the innovative fund.
"The registration statement for the iShares Silver Trust
was declared effective at 10 a.m.," said SEC spokesman John
Nester. Barclays Global is an affiliate of Barclays Plc
BARC.L.
((Reporting by Kevin Drawbaugh, editing by Gerald E.
McCormick; Reuters Messaging:
kevin.drawbaugh.reuters.com@reuters.net. 202-898-8313,
202-310-5490 (fax), kevin.drawbaugh@reuters.com))
 
Silver grandioso ieri... ed è solo l'inizio.
In più con il QUANTO non si perde sul cambio Euro/Dollaro... ed in più e pure a sconto sulla quotazione SPOT... e non di poco.

Insomma grande investimento sul medio/lungo.
 
Anch'io sono da un mese circa investito sul certificato Silver Quanto di ABN e a parte la caduta tecnica della scorsa settimana penso che ci attenda un futuro smagliante.
Oggi su Borsa&Finanza articolo sull'argento dove si parla dell'inizio delle contrattazione dell'atteso ETF di Barclays che ieri a fatto faville: l'articolo parla inoltre che la più grande miniera d'argento produrrà il 20% in meno a causa di ristrutturazione degli impianti.

Posto inoltre un paio di articoli trovati in rete:

"Silver Surges Most in 11 Years on Speculation Investor Demand to Soar
April 28 (Bloomberg) -- Silver prices in New York surged 8.3 percent, the biggest gain in 11 years, on speculation investor demand will grow as Barclays Plc began offering an exchange-traded fund backed by the metal.
Barclays offered 50,000 shares of iShares Silver Trust, each representing 10 ounces of silver. The shares rose 7.1 percent on their first day of trading in New York. Silver has almost doubled in the past year and reached a 23-year high last week as investors stocked up on commodities such as metals.
``Silver is a hot commodity,'' said Suzanne Stepan, who helps manage $525 million at Traverse City, Michigan-based Financial & Investment Management Group Ltd. ``There is strong demand and some very compelling applications of silver that give it qualities that restrict substitution.''
Silver futures for July delivery jumped $1.04 to $13.63 an ounce on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange. The percentage gain was the biggest since March 1995.
Silver has soared 51 percent this year as investment funds diversified holdings to get higher returns than from stocks and bonds. The metal gained 3.1 percent this week, the seventh straight increase. The price gained 17 percent this month after climbing 18 percent in March.
``Most of this is new buying for the exchange-traded fund,'' said Daniel Vaught, a commodities analysts at A.G. Edwards & Sons Inc. in St. Louis. ``That is playing a role in strengthening the market.''

Modeled on Gold Fund
Barclays' exchange-traded fund for silver is modeled after the StreetTracks Gold Trust fund that has attracted $7.4 billion since it began trading in November 2004. The funds are backed by silver stored in vaults. ETF Securities Ltd. is planning to list a silver fund that won't be backed by physical silver.
The jump in silver futures marked the biggest fluctuation of any commodity today. The biggest movers are screened for the size of the market and amount of daily trading. A futures contract is an obligation to buy or sell a commodity at a set price by a specific date.
Barclays iShares Silver Trust rose $9.12 to $138.12 at 4:26 p.m. with 2.34 million shares changing hands on the American Stock Exchange in New York.
Financial & Investment Management's Stepan, who holds StreetTracks Gold and iShares COMEX Gold Trust, said she will consider buying the silver ETF.
Gregory Orrell, manager of the $106 million Monterey OCM Gold Fund in Livermore, California, also said he will consider buying iShares Silver. Orrell's fund has 5 percent in cash including 3.5 percent in StreetTracks Gold.
``There's a lot of enthusiasm for the silver ETF,'' Orrell said. ``A lot of people look at owning silver as a bulky asset, so it's a clean way to own it.''
Orrell said iShares Silver will grow to 100 million ounces within the first year of trading as silver prices are likely to rise to $20 an ounce over the next 18 months.
To contact the reporters on this story:
Julie Tay in London at jtay1@bloomberg.net;
Choy Leng Yeong in Seattle at clyeong@bloomberg.net"

"Silver surges on demand for metal-based fund
By Jennifer Hughes in New York
Published: April 28 2006 23:35 | Last updated: April 28 2006 23:35
Silver recorded its biggest one-day gain in 11 years on Friday, as surging demand for the first-ever exchange-traded fund based on the metal sparked speculation that the fund’s managers would have to buy more of the metal to meet demand.
Silver futures contracts rose more than a dollar, or 9.3 per cent, to $13.63 an ounce.

Demand for silver also helped gold reach a new 25-year high at $654.50. The precious metal is up 12 per cent this month - its biggest monthly increase in six years. Metals traders also cited more traditional gold drivers including concerns about inflation and fears of a sharp dollar depreciation.

The iShares Silver Trust is the latest commodity fund to try to tap into US investors’ seemingly insatiable demand for alternative investments. The last few months have also seen the launch of ETFs covering gold, and fuel and oil futures, as the investment industry scrambles to give retail investors an easy way to hold commodities.

ETFs were originally designed to track indices such as the S&P 500, adjusting their holdings to reflect the index. With funds based on individual assets such as silver, the more shares outstanding, the more of the underlying asset the fund’s managers need to buy.

”Some people are wondering whether iShares actually has the silver to cover all the shares or will it have to buy more,” said George Gero of RBC Capital Markets Global Futures and a long-time member of Comex, the metals division of the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Shares in the ETF closed 7.1 per cent higher at $138.12. The American Stock Exchange said 2.342m shares were traded in the fund, making it one of the most successful debuts ever for any ETF.
IShares is a unit of Barclays, which recently placed 1.5m ounces of silver with a custodian to back up the ETF.

“People are also looking around and saying ‘you know what? the entire metals complex should be bought’,” said Mr Gero. “Are we hitting the top? I couldn’t say.”

UBS on Friday raised its average price target for gold this year to $630 and $750 in 2007. The bank also raised its silver average to $13.42 this year and $15 next. :yes: :yes:

Silver has risen by about 55 per cent so far this year, while gold is up by about a quarter.

David Rinehimer, director of futures research at Citigroup in New York, said: “Prevailing sentiment is very bullish and there’s a significant increase in investor interest. These markets are relatively small so the impact has been pretty dynamic.”
But he questioned how much further the rallies could run.
”Right now prices are going to be significantly affecting fabrication [industrial] demand and supply and that’s going to have to be offset by even stronger investor participation to support prices at still higher levels,” he added.
Film makers such as Kodak and Agfa have already increased their prices because of rising silver costs."
 
Sull'oro non sono positivissimo sul breve.
Considerando che è in lancio l'ETF sull'argento si potrebbe vedere qualche switch tra l'ETF del metallo giallo a quello del metallo bianco... si dovrebbe arrivare ad un rapporto ORO/ARGENTO vicino a 10... dai 50 attuali... penso nel giro di un paio d'anni.
 
Con l'avvento dell'ETF il Silver sta riguadagnando il suo status di metallo da investimento accanto all'oro... come riserve in superficie Ag ed Au si equivalgono... come riserve sottoterra siamo ad 1/10... rapporto storico 1/16... come utilizzi l'argento è incomparabilmente più utile dell'Au.

Usi industriali nuovi e rivoluzionari grazie alle proprietà biocide del nano argento.

Insomma un signor investimento... non a caso Buffet è l'acapparratore numero uno di argento al mondo...

E poi il discorso monetario... certo dollaro svalutatissimo... sempre e sempre di più con investitori sempre di più all'affannosa ricerca di asset reali e concreti.

Silver oggi di nuovo vicino ai 14 dollari.
 
Ed ecco il link alle quotazioni dell'ETF sul Silver... poco sotto gli 1,40 (va moltiplicato x 10 x avere il prezzo del Silver)... geniale la mossa di Barclays.. guadagnano già pacchi di soldi...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=slv

ETFs find a silver lining
Grey metal is golden as long-awaited fund makes impressive debut

By John Spence, MarketWatch
Last Update: 5:02 PM ET Apr 28, 2006

BOSTON (MarketWatch) - Shares of a highly anticipated silver exchange-traded fund rose as much as 8% in their first day of trading Friday as investors embraced a new way to capitalize on increasing global demand for the grey metal.

The new ETF, dubbed iShares Silver Trust (SLV ) , finished the session up $9.12, or 7.1%, to $138.12 in active trading on the American Stock Exchange of more than 2.3 million shares.

The Silver Trust, sponsored by ETF giant Barclays Global Investors, has been in the works for more than a year. The unit of British bank Barclays Plc (UK:BARC) launched the ETF after depositing 1.5 million ounces of silver in the trust, which charges investors a sponsor fee of 0.5% of assets.

Speculation on the silver ETF's imminent launch has been pushing up silver prices, which earlier this month hit multi-decade highs. The ETF, which for the first time allows individual investors to invest in silver without holding the metal or tapping futures markets, could bolster demand for the metal.
"The silver ETF will revolutionize the ease of ownership of the grey metal for both institutions and individuals globally, fueling very good times for the long-depressed precious metal," said Texas Hedge Report, a market newsletter.

ETFs are baskets of securities that trade on exchanges like stocks, so investors can go short as well as long, and must pay broker commissions to buy and sell. Shares of the silver ETF represent 10 ounces of the metal held in a vault. Bank of New York (BK) is the trustee and J.P. Morgan Chase Bank (JPM ) in London is the custodian. Two existing gold ETFs, StreetTracks Gold Trust (GLD) and iShares Comex Gold Trust (IAU) , have been popular with investors.

The first mover, StreetTracks Gold Trust, has gathered about $6.5 billion since its November 2004 inception in one of the more successful fund launches in recent memory.

The silver ETF has taken several twists and turns before it was finally approved by regulators.

The Silver Users Association, a nonprofit lobby group interested in keeping an orderly silver market, had led the opposition to the silver ETF. The group alleged the trust would take a large amount of silver off the market and push up prices, which would hurt firms that use the metal for business or industrial purposes and result in layoffs.

However, after a public comment period, the SEC said the silver ETF would increase the efficiency and transparency of the silver market, and that it would not spark liquidity problems.

Some traders are expecting the ETF may usher in a new bull market for silver if it attracts money from individuals, advisers, institutions and hedge funds looking for a convenient way to get exposure to the precious metal.
If the silver ETF experiences demand similar to the gold ETFs, it may end up accumulating roughly 97 million ounces, which represents more than 15% of known silver inventories, making a tight market even tighter, the newsletter added.

However, if history is any guide, the trend with gold ETFs introduced around the globe has been a run-up in the weeks up to the launch with a pullback in the weeks after the start of trading. See earlier story.

Judging by investor confusion over the tax issues with the existing gold ETFs, it should be noted silver, like gold, is classified as a "collectible" by the IRS -- if held for more than one year, gains are taxed at a 28% rate, compared with the 15% rate applicable to most other long-term capital gains.
 
WorldLove ha scritto:
Silver 13.72 13.82


che ne pensi world di un ritorno a 12,93 prima, e 12 poi, sempre che l'oro ritracci e l'euro aiuti in tal senso ? ;)
 
-ditropan- ha scritto:
che ne pensi world di un ritorno a 12,93 prima, e 12 poi, sempre che l'oro ritracci e l'euro aiuti in tal senso ? ;)

I commentatori non pensano ad un ritracciamento:

"DJ MARKET TALK: Comex Silver Up Amid Supportive Fundamentals
1435 GMT [Dow Jones] - Despite gains that have already occurred in Comex
silver lately, more are possible after an ETF began trading Friday, says Peter
Grandich, publisher of the Grandich Letter. "It has been long argued that the
supply vs. demand fundamentals for silver were actually more bullish than
gold's. If true (I think it's a very good argument) and the silver ETF gets a
similar response like its kissing cousin gold did, just buckle up and enjoy the
ride," he says in a note to clients. Meanwhile, the longer-term direction for
gold has been underpinned by "sheer momentum, combined with a sliding U.S.
dollar and heightened geopolitical concerns," says Grandich. June gold is up
$6.50 to $661.00, while July silver is up 39 cents to $14.020. (ALS)

Contact us in Chicago at 312-750-4075; allen.sykora@dowjones.com
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
05-01-06 1037ET
Copyright (c) 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc."
 
.. maestro leon o per voi esperti di certificati :

per andare invece short sull argento nel lungo periodo , c'è un certificato "investment" Quanto tipo quello di cui parlate ?

ho guardato sul sito di abn ma mi sembra non c'è niente di simile,
mi consigliate qualche certificato o simili sull argento per posizione corte di lungo periodo...

grazie
 
aabye ha scritto:
.. maestro leon o per voi esperti di certificati :

per andare invece short sull argento nel lungo periodo , c'è un certificato "investment" Quanto tipo quello di cui parlate ?

ho guardato sul sito di abn ma mi sembra non c'è niente di simile,
mi consigliate qualche certificato o simili sull argento per posizione corte di lungo periodo...

grazie


ciao aabye...;)..da quanto.. :yes:

purtroppo i certificates investment agiscono soltanto come replica del sottostante, e quindi vanno solo in un senso..ossia long.
I leverage sarebbero più adatti, ma ABN s'è persa per strada mentre l'argento saliva e quindi l'ultimo minishort, strike 15 e stop loss 14,2..è stoppato il 19 aprile.
Adesso penso manchi solo qualche giorno ad una nuova emissione, che penso e spero avrà strike alti in modo da poterli tradare per un medio-lungo periodo.

Altro non c'è..anche tra i classici cw..oltre al fatto che ci sono le incognite che sai..non ce n'è una ITM.

Insomma..per shortare il silver..l'unico strumento al momento disponibile è il future quotato al Comex o il minisilver quotato al eCBOT.

ti saluto
;)
 
1) È possibile credo shortare il nuovo ETF (SLV)... ma dipende con chi operate.

2) L'Etf è armonizzato fiscalmente in Italia.

3) NON CONSIGLIO DI SHORTARE IL SILVER.... ASSOLUTAMENTE... ANCHE SE TECNICAMENTE CI PUÒ STARE IL RIBASSO MOMENTANEO.. C'È IL CONCRETO RISCHIO DI UNO SHORT SQUEEZE DI PROPORZIONI BIBLICHE...
 
Silver ancora in tensione, vediamo nel pomeriggio il Comex:
 

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