TOBIN TAX...solo dai giornali con firma d'autore IV

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...... Forse anche questo giro ce la siam cavat
Manovra, stop Tobin tax su trading online, norma su canapa e rinvio mercato energia - Il Sole 24 ORE

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GIOVANNI LAPIDARI
e tutti quelli che hanno lavorato nell'ombra per tutelarci
al salvataggio di una situazione che , animata anche da buoni propositi ( fermare le truffe forex )
ma gestita nel modo sbagliato rischiava di fare scempio nel mercato CFD e non solo

qui la cronostoria di queste ansiolitiche giornate ...

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o alle 14:30 su LEFONTI TV

ps a ottobre torneranno all'attacco , non illudiamoci

però adesso basta con sta storia, è la seconda volta che passo una settimana di magone

11 mesi per organizzarci....
 

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o ma VINCENT ...... soli io e te col magone questo fine settimana ????

tutti gl'altri indifferenti o si son già organizzati in " altro modo " ???
 

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...... Forse anche questo giro ce la siam cavat
Manovra, stop Tobin tax su trading online, norma su canapa e rinvio mercato energia - Il Sole 24 ORE

Ringrazio a titolo personale SAVERIO BERLINZANI e chi ha collaborato con lui
MATTEO PAGANINI
GIUSEPPE DI VITTORIO
GIOVANNI LAPIDARI
e tutti quelli che hanno lavorato nell'ombra per tutelarci
al salvataggio di una situazione che , animata anche da buoni propositi ( fermare le truffe forex )
ma gestita nel modo sbagliato rischiava di fare scempio nel mercato CFD e non solo

qui la cronostoria di queste ansiolitiche giornate ...

Saverio Berlinzani | Facebook

o alle 14:30 su LEFONTI TV

ps a ottobre torneranno all'attacco , non illudiamoci

però adesso basta con sta storia, è la seconda volta che passo una settimana di magone

11 mesi per organizzarci....

perchè a ottobre?
 

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o ma VINCENT ...... soli io e te col magone questo fine settimana ????

tutti gl'altri indifferenti o si son già organizzati in " altro modo " ???

si vede che non viene percepito il rischio come reale
se viene fatta passare una tobin di quela portata può passare qualsiasi cosa sulle transazioni finanziarie
 

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Vincent Vеga;53632551 ha scritto:
perchè a ottobre?

Perchè ormai sta diventando un'appuntamento fisso : era scaramantico
ma forse ilprox giro ( se concretizzano l'idea ) Saverio voleva mantenere il canale di
comunicazione col governo di tuno..... un riferimento per evitare pasticci ..se possibile
 

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German finance minister: tax on share dealing could be extended to other assets - Reuters

Scholz’s plan for a tax of 0.2% of the transaction value of purchases of shares in large companies was widely criticized when floated this month, with critics angered that it excluded the volatile, leveraged instruments that they believe drive market instability.

But Scholz told the Funke newspaper consortium in an interview to be published on Saturday that extending the tax to other asset classes would require a broader European consensus.

“If experiences with the introduction are positive then it will be easier to achieve that consensus,” he was quoted as saying.
 

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The new Austrian finance minister makes a clear announcement towards Berlin and Paris: either the proposal for a tax on financial transactions is revised - or Austria gets out of the project. German savers would be happy.

Gernot Bluemel's only been two weeks in office, and even in one of his first major foreign appointments he has to deliver an unpleasant message. The newly minted Austrian finance minister takes part in the meeting of euro and EU finance ministers in Brussels and met his German counterpart Olaf Scholz in a small group for the first time on Tuesday morning in the new role.

The message that the ÖVP politician brought with him should hardly have been liked by Olaf Scholz . It was no less than an ultimatum: either the Franco-German proposal for a financial transaction tax is revised or Austria gets out of the negotiations on a tax on financial transactions.

In Vienna there is great frustration at how the European project on a financial transaction tax has developed. Austria co-initiated and significantly advanced the project at the European level after the financial and economic crisis after the EU Commission made a corresponding proposal for regulation.

"The idea of ​​the financial transaction tax came up after the financial and economic crisis when you wanted to tax irresponsible, highly speculative behavior," Blümel told WELT. "It was originally about punishing investors who speculated on falling prices and state failures, making unethical speculative behavior unattractive and supporting the real economy."

The Scholz plan puts German savers at a disadvantage
In recent years, however, negotiations have increasingly moved away from this original idea. The final straw apparently brought a Franco-German proposal for a financial transaction tax, the Olaf Scholz presented in December - obviously not with the other eight EU countries agreed that also in the negotiations on a financial transaction tax had participated .

However, the Franco-German proposal has little to do with the original idea: it should be introduced as a tax on share purchases and sales. Other financial instruments such as derivatives are to be spared the tax, as are intraday trading and speculative high-frequency trading.

This causes frustration in Vienna: "The present Franco-German proposal, which Olaf Scholz also propagates, reverses the original idea of ​​the financial transaction tax," says ÖVP Finance Minister Blümel. "This would punish the real economy and small investors and indirectly reward speculators."

"Austria cannot go this way"
The new government in Vienna, consisting of conservative ÖVP and Greens, is not ready to support this proposal, says the 38-year-old political shooting star. “Austria cannot go along this path. The current proposal must therefore be revised so that it goes back to the original idea of ​​a financial transaction tax, punishes speculators and promotes the real economy. If there is no change here, we will drop out of the group of member countries that want to introduce this financial transaction tax. ”

If Austria actually gets out of the negotiations, the project threatens to fail. So far, a small group of EU countries that see themselves as pioneers have been driving the project forward. At least nine countries are necessary for such "enhanced cooperation", as it is said in the language of the EU treaties.


In addition to Germany and Austria, France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Portugal, Greece, Slovenia and Slovakia have also been pursuing the project, which was originally designed as a tax on all financial transactions in all EU countries. Estonia has already left this circle; if other partners swerved, this could mean the end of the project.

Once again, the government is betraying savers
A waiver by Austria, which not only initiated the negotiations but also coordinated them unofficially in Brussels, would also have a significantly negative signal effect. In Vienna, however, the present proposal no longer appears to be an appropriate basis for negotiations.

"This proposal is exactly the opposite of what the Commission proposed a few years ago. 99 percent of all financial transactions are not affected, ”said Finance Minister Blümel. “Instead, the proposal makes it unattractive for small and medium-sized savers to invest in the stock market. That would be particularly important in times of ultra-low interest rates to prevent poverty in old age . ”

German investor and stock associations have also criticized the fact that the Franco-German proposal complicates retirement provisions with stocks and makes it much more difficult for companies to obtain equity on the markets. "This proposal will torpedo greater savers' participation in the stock market," says Blümel. “Therefore it has to be changed. If it is not changed, we will leave the group, as I have told Olaf Scholz. ”

After the Franco-German draft had already caused criticism in December, the Federal Ministry of Finance explained at the time that the proposed directive was exactly that: a proposal that reflects the current state of discussion and that must now be discussed further.

Finanztransaktionssteuer: Wien droht mit Ausstieg bei der Aktiensteuer - WELT
 

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I tempi per la Tobin europea si allungano ma non è detto che sia una buona notizia per noi, l'Austria chiede di tassare tutto intraday incluso ...

la cooperazione rafforzata necessita di 9 membri anche se salta l'austria possono tirare dritto, ma di tassare tutto alcuni non ne vogliono sapere (belgio e germania se ben ricordo)
 

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EU Financial Transactions Tax Agreement Close, Says Scholz

EU Financial Transactions Tax Agreement Close, Says Scholz
by Ulrika Lomas, Tax-News.com, Brussels
27 January 2020

German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz has said he is confident that an agreement can be reached on a European Union financial transactions tax.

According to a statement issued by the German Finance Ministry following the recent meeting of EU finance ministers, Scholz said that the member states negotiating the terms of the proposed EU FTT are close to reaching a conclusion.

Scholz presented what he described as a final proposal for an EU FTT to the 10 member states participating in the initiative in December 2019. This would impose a tax of 0.2 percent on the purchase of shares in domestically listed companies with a market capitalization in excess of EUR1bn (USD1.1bn). The tax would also apply to depositary receipts issued domestically and abroad and which are backed by shares in these companies. Initial share offerings would be excluded from the FTT.

The German Government says such a tax would apply mostly to institutional investors, as share purchases by private investors represent only about three percent of overall trading volume.

It has been estimated that Germany would collect around EUR1.5bn in additional tax revenue from the FTT as currently proposed, which would be used to help fund the state pension.

The other member states taking part in the negotiations towards an EU FTT are Austria, Belgium, France, Greece, Italy, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, and Spain. These countries are participating in the initiative under the EU's enhanced cooperation mechanism, which allows smaller groups of member states to proceed with EU legislation when unanimity on a proposal cannot be achieved.

As initially proposed by the European Commission in 2011, the FTT was to be imposed on all transactions in financial instruments, with the exchange of shares and bonds taxed at a rate of 0.1 percent and derivative contracts at a rate of 0.01 percent. However, member states failed to reach an agreement on the technical details of the draft directive.
 

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This would impose a tax of 0.2 percent on the purchase of shares in domestically listed companies with a market capitalization in excess of EUR1bn (USD1.1bn). The tax would also apply to depositary receipts issued domestically and abroad and which are backed by shares in these companies. Initial share offerings would be excluded from the FTT.

The German Government says such a tax would apply mostly to institutional investors, as share purchases by private investors represent only about three percent of overall trading volume.

Vabbè, se tassano l'azionario, e solo gli istituzionali, escludendo i privati, possono imporre anche il 10% a transazione.;)
 

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Vabbè, se tassano l'azionario, e solo gli istituzionali, escludendo i privati, possono imporre anche il 10% a transazione.;)


così non dovrebbe cambiarci nulla, con il 10% la vedo nera per lo spread BID-ASK :)
 

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Vabbè, se tassano l'azionario, e solo gli istituzionali, escludendo i privati, possono imporre anche il 10% a transazione.;)

veramente il significato della frase e' che, pur tassando tutti, i piu' colpiti saranno gli istituzionali perche' i privati, pur se tassati anche loro, fanno volumi molto bassi
 

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veramente il significato della frase e' che, pur tassando tutti, i piu' colpiti saranno gli istituzionali perche' i privati, pur se tassati anche loro, fanno volumi molto bassi

L'ho riletta, hai ragione.

Comunque parlano di "shares", e non di derivati, che sono gli strumenti su cui faccio trading (futures).

In ogni caso io rimango "confident".:) Hollande annunciò l'entrata in vigore dal 01 gennaio 2014.......
 

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Adesso ci si mette pure Bloomberg. Cosa non si fa per conquistare l'agognata poltrona, lui, un ex repubblicano.

Bloomberg proposes financial transaction tax | TheHill

Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg on Tuesday proposed a financial transaction tax (FTT) as part of a wide-ranging financial reform plan the billionaire former New York City mayor unveiled ahead of Wednesday's debate.

Bloomberg is proposing to work with Congress to implement a 0.1 percent tax on transactions for stocks, bonds and derivatives. He is calling for the tax to be phased in over time, starting at 0.02 percent, to limit any unintended consequences, according to a document from his campaign.
 

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c'è anche l'articolo del sole
UK e HK (che prende come riferimento) hanno una tobin solo su azionario
https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/usa-mike-bloomberg-propone-tassa-wall-street-AClNYOKB?refresh_ce=1

La proposta di una tassa su Wall Street
Forse per togliersi di dosso questa “accusa” che gli viene mossa dai sostenitori di Sanders e dallo stesso senatore del Vermont, ma anche per strizzare l'occhiolino a sinistra, Bloomberg ha avanzato ieri la sua proposta per tassare Wall Street e continuare, sulla scia di Barack Obama, a regolamentare la grande finanza. Ha anche fatto sapere che se dovesse venire eletto presidente degli Stati Uniti venderà la sua società editoriale.

Ridurre le diseguaglianze
Nello specifico Bloomberg propone di tassare tutte le transazioni finanziarie di Wall Street dello 0,1%, compresi gli scambi di azioni, di obbligazioni e i pagamenti sui contratti derivati, come parte di un piano per ridurre le diseguaglianze negli Stati Uniti.
Il programma di Bloomberg, scritto in nove paginette, prevede una tassazione iniziale delle transazioni finanziarie dello 0,02% “per monitorare a minimizzare le potenziali conseguenze inaspettate” per poi, in una seconda fase, salire allo 0,1%.
Una tassa simile, viene ricordato nel programma di Bloomberg, esiste già in altre piazze finanziarie importanti come Gran Bretagna e Hong Kong. Negli Stati Uniti, considerando i volumi del principale centro finanziario mondiale, una tassa del genere potrebbe fruttare per i bilanci federali (e per i programmi di welfare) almeno 50 miliardi all'anno secondo un report del Tax Policy Center del 2015 ricordato dal piano.
 

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motivo della transazione

Ho aperto il tol dopo molto tempo e con la compilazione dell'ordine vi è : motivo della transazione, due possibilità a conoscenza dell'autorità o senza ecc. ecc.
Chi mi dice cosa fare?
Grazie :):)
 

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la spagna introduce una tobin come la nostra

Spain's government gives the green light to the Google and Tobin taxes

The Tobin tax of 0.2% will be levied on the purchase of shares issued in Spain by listed companies, with a market capitalisation of over 1 billion euros. Unlisted companies and small and medium-sized enterprises will not be taxed. Neither will IPOs, restructuring operations between companies in the same group, or assets under a repurchase agreements. The person liable for tax is the financial intermediary who transmits or executes the purchase order and must submit an annual tax return.

The Ministry of Finance will publish annually, before December 31, the list of companies subject to the tax every year.
 

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Tobin' and 'Google' taxes to be launched in Spain in January 2021

The Spanish Senate has definitively approved the Tobin tax and the ‘Google’ tax. The first is a tax on financial transactions, involving a 0.2% charge on the purchase and sale of shares of Spanish companies with a capitalisation of over 1 billion euros. This will affect 32 of the 35 securities in the Ibex 35 index.