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dollaro weekly...

Bei grafici! :yes:

Trasp te la butto là, ma secondo te il dollaro ha invertito la rotta? :mmmm:Consiglieresti ai tuoi clienti:) di mettersi long sulle correzioni del biglietto verde?
Perchè personalmente mi sembra un impulso troppo forte per considerarlo un semplice rimbalzo. Tu che ne pensi? :confused:
 
Bei grafici! :yes:

Trasp te la butto là, ma secondo te il dollaro ha invertito la rotta? :mmmm:Consiglieresti ai tuoi clienti:) di mettersi long sulle correzioni del biglietto verde?
Perchè personalmente mi sembra un impulso troppo forte per considerarlo un semplice rimbalzo. Tu che ne pensi? :confused:


questo dubbio ce l' ho anche io...
per questo che sono uscito fuori dagli auriferi,,,

ora a bocce ferme,,, non dispongo di sufficienti dati per dare una risposta...

domani... credo che qualche indicazione in più dovremmo averla...

ci sono troppi parametri al bivio...
quindi... per come ragiono io...
c'è troppa confusione...

probabilmente... chi ha la oppurtunità.. e dispone di mezzi tecnici
più sofisticati per eseguire analisi più approfondite...
può cercare di anticipare una risposta... credo comunque che sia molto
difficile... avere le idee chiare... oggi...

magari domani potrei dire qualcosa di più preciso... ciao..
 
Buondì TRASP & 7/9
Concordo sulla criticità del momento da inquadrare come spartiacque tra scenari rialzisti e ribassisti, sia su Dollaro che su GOLD.
Sul GOLD personalmente ho sotto osservazione il comportamento della forbice del COT-chart unitamente a quello del GOLD spot nella critica zona 850/sma-50-daily.
XAU inoltre dopo aver usato la dinamica in area 80 come base, ha beccato millimetricamente la dinamica asc. dal 2000; l'area di congestione individuata nella mia analisi sullo XAU (din.asc.-2000+fascia statica 120) coinciderebbe proprio con la statica-13 sullo USERX e in buona sostanza con EMA-monthly-200 indicata da TRASP.
Pertanto sul GOLD è assolutamente vincente in questa fase il cash in attesa di segnali chiari; altra cosa è ovviamente un'operatività su frame molto più ristretti (daily; intradaily).

Sul Dollaro e relativo cross con Eu al momento trovo un ottimo riscontro dalla mia precedente ed un po datata analisi di lungo
http://www.finanzaonline.com/forum/showpost.php?p=19402944&postcount=355


questo dubbio ce l' ho anche io...
per questo che sono uscito fuori dagli auriferi,,,

ora a bocce ferme,,, non dispongo di sufficienti dati per dare una risposta...

domani... credo che qualche indicazione in più dovremmo averla...

ci sono troppi parametri al bivio...
quindi... per come ragiono io...
c'è troppa confusione...

probabilmente... chi ha la oppurtunità.. e dispone di mezzi tecnici
più sofisticati per eseguire analisi più approfondite...
può cercare di anticipare una risposta... credo comunque che sia molto
difficile... avere le idee chiare... oggi...

magari domani potrei dire qualcosa di più preciso... ciao..
 
Oro oro oro 2009

Oro per tutto il 2009 qualsiasi strumento finanziario va bene
 
Salve
forse è il caso di collocare questa discussione entro quella di TRASPARENTE sul Gold

no... no...
lascialo pure dove si trova... :cool::cool:

se non ci sono argomentazioni...
può pure aprire aprire tutti i 3ds che vuole...
 
Scusate se intervengo sul tase....

Dio salvi gli israeliani e in specialmodo gli ebrei...

Ma rendiamoci conto che se e' aperto domenica venerdi' era chiuso....!!!!

Quindi non conta nulla il tase.. E' solo influenzata da wally di venerdi'..!!
Ancor piu' per la capitalizzazione inesistente rispetto alle altre borse "occidentali"..
 
Dollar index sempre sul como'.. E' lui che comanda...

Guardate bene quel weekly..!!

Ottimo come sempre trasparente.!!
 
dollaro a 1,348... sembra aver scelto il senso di marcia...

in teoria dovremmo assistere alla tenuta degli indici,
al rafforzamento dell' oro e del greggio...
 
Fundamental View on Metal Markets Report


By Larry W. Reaugh Printer Friendly Version
Dec 11 2008 4:05PM


www.reacompanies.com

The resource industry and market review I have prepared are the result of several queries from investors and associates in the past few months about my feelings and beliefs regarding the current debacle and what the future holds. Unfortunately, most of us will be affected on one level or another.

It is my belief that the world always or ultimately operates on the fundamentals of supply and demand. To reinforce this, my understanding of the demand from the BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India and China) coun*tries has always remained positive. These countries will continue their modernization regardless of the recession we are experiencing in the West.

That leaves the supply side - the question is: What has been happening to disrupt the supply of met*als? Taking a cross-section and focusing on mine shut*downs and cut-backs in production, I had two huge surprises. First, I was astounded by the proliferation of new producers in the past 1 – 3 years. Second, I am shocked by the rapid response to the downturn reflected in the number of recent production shut*downs. Over the past few weeks, while conducting research for this piece, the number of shutdowns has accelerated considerably.

Also, major small and mid size producers are cutting back their production in all metals. The immensity of that combined extinguished supply demonstrates that a tilt in the supply/demand equilibrium is just around the corner and a spike up in commodity prices is not far behind.

In 2003, I conducted a supply-and-demand analysis for molybdenum. As a result I moved to create a pure molybdenum company and to achieve the advantage of a head start towards production.

I have been involved in the stock market and the mining industry for the past 45 years. In that time, I have never experienced such a terrible meltdown in the markets. Even the stagflation of the 1970’s would be welcome at this point in time. The value of my mining stocks during the mid to late 70’s neither went up nor down but remained at pretty much the same prices, as compared to today where my portfo*lio is down by 80% to 90%. Although most markets have lost 60% to 80%, resource stocks particularly, have been hit hard. My entire working life has been in the resource sector, so that will be the focus of this editorial.

The majority of the forecasters on commodities to*day are predicting a several-year bear market in the prices of metal commodities across the board.

My fundamentalist point of view, resulting from hands on research, is the exact opposite of the popular consensus for several reasons:

1. The world-wide recession is well into its sec*ond year. I believe a financial meltdown scenario has been averted for the interim and once the new U.S. government is installed (or its direction is made known) markets will establish or have already hit a bottom from which to build.

2. The U.S. and European economies are being vigorously re-inflated.

3. Commodity prices have fallen too far too fast.

4. The shut down of several coal-fired power gen*erating plants in China during the Olympics contrib*uted to the metal price collapse. The shutdowns side*lined demand and led to the stockpiling of metals, (This put China in the driver’s seat on negotiating long-term metal contracts, especially in iron and coal) for a five month period, a lot of primary indus*try in China was cut to 50% capacity. The commodity demand was weakening and I believe the final blow was the planned slow down in China which helped accelerate the downturn, certainly a one time event. Definitely a huge long-term benefit for China.

5. Forced liquidation of commodities by commod*ity traders again compromised the stability of the supply/demand factor of metal commodities. LME traded commodities, especially copper, will take longer to rally due to the heavy manipulation by funds, whereby much larger stockpiles existed than were apparent.

6. More producers are currently operating at or below their cash cost. Those companies with large debt are being forced to shut down their marginal operations. The reaction to this sudden market

downturn by producers has been to shut down, cur*tail and reduce production of copper, aluminum, iron, nickel, zinc, lead, manganese, uranium, molyb*denum, cobalt, tantalum, etc. Even the market for raw diamonds has shown a significant drop in price. This has been immediate and I believe it will result in a faster recovery of the prices for these commodi*ties.

1. Literally hundreds of small to medium produc*ers worldwide, in all categories, have been forced to shut down production of metals. Some of these pro*ducers will not re-open.

2. China will be stimulating its economy with a package amounting to $600 billion U.S. over the next three years. I believe the first beneficiary will be the steel industry which will lead the way out of the re*cession in base metals. The first steel related metals to recover will be molybdenum, cobalt, manganese, tungsten, niobium and chrome.

3. Dozens of mining projects slated to begin con*struction have been postponed indefinitely.

4. Infrastructure replacement and expansion to be implemented in Western countries, particularly in the United States.

5. Yunnan province in China has announced a one million tonne purchase of commodities for stockpiling namely, copper, aluminum, lead, zinc and tin a $3 billion dollar investment. The central government is also looking to stockpile all metals as a result of low prices. This would be a wise move to convert U.S. dollars into tangible assets. (Beginning to see a trend here?)

I have been steadfast in my belief that all commodi*ties are strictly governed by supply and demand with the exception of LME-traded metals which are heavily influenced by speculators, funds and large investor trading. My theory about a bounce-back in metals was reinforced when researching a large cross-section of current and near-term producers, in conjunction with a list of several operators now on care and maintenance which currently influence or could influ*ence the supply of all categories of metal. For those of you interested, I have compiled a list of companies which currently have some of their mining operation on care and maintenance that may be obtained from: http://www.reacompanies.com/list. This list is only the tip of the iceberg of what is happening in our in*dustry and focuses only on North American listed stocks where the situation here at home is only a re*flection of what is happening worldwide. The total analysis involved over 100 companies but I have only listed those companies which have actually shut down or those that have put some of their mining operations on care and maintenance. Remember, this is only a glimpse what is happening out there.

Due to safety regulations, China alone will be shut*ting down 6,000 of its 16,000 coal mines over the next 2 years. Forty-five out of seventy-five copper/ cobalt producers have shut down in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Shut downs are also wide*spread in Australia, South Africa, South America and India, etc.

To me, the conclusion is obvious - those companies which have recently commenced production or have advanced projects on stream to go into production are being severely punished by the market with some mar*ket caps decreasing as much as 90% to 99%. There is no avenue for them to raise money to streamline op*erations in order to turn the corner on new produc*tion.

At the present market stage bridge loans are a par*ticularly difficult scenario with which to deal and any company having to repay those bridges is at severe risk of failure. It is a ‘damned if you do and damned if you don’t’ scenario. My sympathies go out to those companies as I understand the hard work and focus required to bring on new production today. The old adage of having production to see you through the lean times has not held up this time around for a vast number of companies and appears to be a liability rather than an asset for most of them. The above list reflects only 20 companies which have shut down production – to think of the total number boggles the mind.

The entire resource sector has been ravaged with the share prices of junior explorers down 95% to 99%, intermediate producers down 60% - 90% and some majors down close to 85%, especially in the steel in*dustry. The total resource sector has had approxi*mately $1.5 trillion knocked off of its market cap, with household names like U.S. Steel losing 85% of its market cap in the past 6 months.

In my opinion, the way all categories of mining stocks are now viewed by the investment bankers and the investment community will change radically as fol*lows:

1. Geopolitical risk will become a major factor whereas a year ago it was not heavily consid*ered in the investment strategy.

2. Bridge loans are now considered toxic by the investment community and no one is stepping up to re-finance even good projects especially those exposed to bridge loans.

3. Bond issues and debt financing are impossible and probably should not be pursued at this time.

4. Obviously, most of the advanced-stage projects have been rendered unfeasible at current com*modity prices.

5. Overwhelming reluctance to do equity financ*ings at this point in the market.

6. Feasibility Studies by new producers will have to be economical at close to current commod*ity prices.

7. Close attention will be focused on strip ratios, continuity of deposits, bulk testing, proven metallurgy and road access.

8. Mergers and acquisitions will only occur be*tween strong companies. In this market weak companies will tend to bring down the strong company. The take-over candidate must be able to generate the price of the acquisition.

9. Balance sheets will be scrutinized and, compa*nies having large debt loads will be evaluated on their ability to continue servicing that debt. Companies cannot service debt when they are losing money.

10. Companies with large commitments will face tougher evaluations.

11. Financings will get back into a selective posi*tive mode once commodity prices move up sig*nificantly from today’s lows.

The following is a snapshot comparison of some of the commodity price losses in the past 6 months: structure. The massive amount of metal supply that has been extinguished in the last 6 months will very quickly have a positive effect on metal commodity prices once again.

Some of the benefits derived from the financial melt*down are as follows:

1. Cheaper cost of production as fuel, replace*ment machinery, power, transportation, floatation additives and consumables go down in price.

2. Drilling and exploration infrastructure costs will go down. Drilling companies are now readily available.

3. Availability of geologists, mining engineers and engineering firms is now prolific.

4. Availability of large mining and milling equip*ment is readily accessible. Lead-time is dramatically reduced.

5. Experienced mining and milling personnel are now available as tens of thousands are being laid-off.

I have pretty much focused on base and minor metals in my review and it goes without saying that precious met*als have a similar driving force and are experiencing closures as well. With gold being the exception, silver, platinum and palladium have a solid industrial base and will follow the direction of the base metals. Conversely, gold is the ultimate currency and will lead all metals out of this current recession. The disconnect between gold and other precious metals will become more evident
Commodity Jun-08 Nov-08 Diff. %
Gold $950.00/oz. $750.00/oz. -21%
Copper $3.80/lb. $1.36/lb. -64%
Aluminum $1.40/lb. $0.65/lb. -54%
Nickel $11.00/lb. $3.95/lb. -64%
Zinc $0.87/lb. $0.47/lb. -46%
Lead $0.85/lb. $0.41/lb -52%
Molybde-num $32.00/lb. $8.75/lb. -73%
Manganese Flake $2.00/lb. $1.05lb. -48%
Cobalt $51.00/lb. $16.00/lb. -69%
Crude Oil $145.00/brl $41.00/brl -72%

Through previous observation and current research I have identified certain trends which indicate that prices will again head north in the next 6 – 18 months and eventually break most historic highs.

This commodity Bull will break all previous cycles as the BRIC countries continue to modernize their infra*going forward. My observation is that gold will play a much more important role as we become awash in all the world’s currencies and seek value that cannot be destroyed by banks or governments.

I believe the deck is stacked in favor of all commodi*ties, surviving mining companies and explorers over the next three years. We will look back on the last two months of 2008 as the greatest buying opportu*nity of the century.

My exercise in the synopsis outlined above was to source a course of action to direct my companies over the next 2 – 5 years. I am more enthused now about the prospects for our industry than I have been in the last 18 months. Caution is the direction I choose for the interim and as the market signals, I plan to become more aggressive in the future.

I believe the shareholders deserve to know how their management and directors intend to move forward during these tumultuous times so I will be posting my observations on our website: www.reacompanies.com.

In conclusion, I personally have been investing and continue to invest at these dramatically lower prices. Due to the current market my retirement has been postponed several years and I believe the only way I will be able to recoup is to take advantage of the current low share values. This is the tax selling sea*son which creates further discounts from current low prices, definitely an advantage to the contrarian buyer. Look for companies that will survive the cur*rent market as these companies will be the strongest emerging from this recession. It’s a new world out there but the emerging economies need our prod*ucts. Daily, more and more casualties are appearing in our industry and this will continue until well after commodity prices once again head north.

Mines can not operate at losses so supply will dimin*ish much faster in this cycle, once more creating run*away prices in the next leg of the commodity Bull market.

I encourage everyone to do their own due diligence as there are great opportunities in the market today with excellent projects, low-cost production and don’t forget the juniorcompanies that are trading at less than cash value.

Larry W. Reaugh
 
Salve a tutti
Aggiungo qualche breve considerazione anche sull'indicatore Gold-Mines elaborato da Barron (maggiormente equity-based), che fondamentalmente ripercorre il GOLD spot ma sovente con un po di ritardo.
Le statiche e dinamiche principali (in rosso) sono molto simili a quelle del GOLD. In particolare la statica in area 900 ha contenuto sempre l'indicatore eccetto nelle fasi più esplosive (e veloci) dell'oro, seguite da rapido rientro. Nel 2006 c'è stato l'ennesimo bull-cross della statica ma stavolta il rientro è avvenuto dopo ben 2 anni.
Le differenze sostanziali con l'oro sono le seguenti:
-) la dinamica ascendente (nata nel 2000) che ha sotteso l'ultimo bull verso il top storico dell'indicatore, è stata superata al ribasso in area 800, producendo una forte discesa dell'indicatore;
-) la dinamica discendente dal top del 1980 è stata superata al ribasso in area 550 ma prontamente recuperata;
-) la dinamica ascendente dai low 1972, 1976, 1991-1993 è stata superata al ribasso in area 820.
La dinamica discendente ora in area 500/520, rappresenta il pivot strutturale dell'indicatore; sotto detta trend si completerebbe il ribasso in primis verso 400/350 e poi verso la statica basale in area 200; in caso di tenuta invece le quotazioni verrebbero certamente attratte dall'affollamento 850/900 (step medio 700/720) che convaliderebbe lo scenario rialzista sullo spot verso nuovi massimi.
I due oscillatori selezionati si mostrano in forte ipervenduto ma ancora senza segnali di chiara inversione; l'incrocio della signal sul macd ed il cross della 30-line sull'rsi avallerebbero la tenuta di area 520/500, viceversa accompagnerebbero la nuova fase ribassista.
 

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Il macd è praticamente sottoterra come non si era mai visto in passato, questo indica potenzialita di rimbalzo nel breve molto ampie
 
D'accordo ma l'indebolimento del $ è tale che c'è da attendersi una vigorosa inversione.
Oggi il wti potrebbe provare a sfondare i 50$ dando un segnale in questo senso.
 
dollaro a 1,348... sembra aver scelto il senso di marcia...

in teoria dovremmo assistere alla tenuta degli indici,
al rafforzamento dell' oro e del greggio...

sembra che il gold faccia fatica ad adeguarsi al dollaro...
invece il greggio sta rafforzandosi in proporzione...

forse è presto per dire...
ma l' impressione è questa...
 
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