Venezuela e PDVSA (vol.154) Quota "Aran2" .... il sogno resistente!

la proposta scade il 13 novembre se non si raggiunge il 75% decade tutto lo hanno scritto loro ed è normale che sia cosi.
si inventeranno qualcos'altro se proprio ci tengono.. IO non mando nulla,
e poi cosa accetteresti? che ti verranno riconosciute le cedole? quando? come?
perchè devi promettere che non agirai mai legalmente per vedere riconosciuti i tuoi diritti?
e il capitale?
che si impegnino di piu ...



Secondo alcuni, secondo me a ragione, l'accordo non riguarderebbe la possibilità di interrompere la prescrizione bensì la proposta del VNZ di interrompere il pagamento degli interessi
e del capitale.


Ho trovato questo:

Overwhelmed by an unprecedented crisis, Venezuela proposed to the holders of bonds of the Republic and the state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) to "interrupt" the payment of interest and capital, an action that, in practice, implies a restructuring of the debt.


Travolto da una crisi senza precedenti, il Venezuela ha proposto ai detentori di obbligazioni della Repubblica e alla Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) di proprietà statale di "interrompere" il pagamento degli interessi e del capitale, azione che, in pratica, implica una ristrutturazione del debito.
 
In realtá in Florida i Cubani e i Venezuelani hanno votato per Trump e assieme agli altri latinos del Sud della Florida son stati fondamentali per la conquista repubblicana della Florida avvenuta con uno scarto di meno 400k voti.
Ha fatto presa la propaganda trumpiana contro i democratici tacciati di essere socialisti e collaborazionisti del regime chavista.
Nel recente passato invece con Clinton prima e Obama dopo gli esiliati erano stati sostenitori dei Democrats.
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President Donald Trump’s obsession with Cubans has paid off.

MIAMI — four years of non-stop outreach to Miami’s Cuban exile community, Trump cruised to victory in Florida thanks to their heavy turnout that also helped the GOP flip two congressional seats and win big in state House and Senate races.

Cuban Americans have long been Republican leaning but began drifting toward the Democratic fold during Barack Obama’s successful presidential campaigns and Hillary Clinton’s run in 2016, when she blew Trump away in Miami-Dade.

Republicans responded by focusing more on the community and stepping up their anti-socialist messaging, often depicting Democrats as radical leftists and socialists, labels that former Vice President Joe Biden and his campaign struggled to shake off.

Republicans attribute the good night to four years of staying on message in Miami-Dade, with the president and administration officials repeatedly coming to Miami to roll out crackdowns on Cuba and Venezuela. And now some question whether Miami-Dade should be considered a liberal bastion at all.

“This mini red wave came through. It was a foreseeable trainwreck for Democrats when you saw Cuban Americans,” said Guillermo Grenier, a pollster and Florida International University professor, who conducts the state’s highly watched Cuba poll.

“The air you breathe here is Republican. It’s hard for Democrats to show up here and try to create a different atmosphere,” Grenier added.

The Biden campaign and Democrats running statewide campaigns have long known they need a strong margin of victory in Miami-Dade to help offset tighter margins or red wins in counties across the state. But on early Wednesday, Biden was only leading 53.3 to 46 percent in Miami-Dade, up by 7.3 percent, with some mail-in ballots left to count. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton beat Trump won Miami-Dade by almost 30 points, 63.2 to 33.8 percent.

Grenier and other strategists are estimating that Trump will have won the Cuban American vote by more than 120,000 Cubans — even higher than the campaign’s target going into 2020.

And it’s not just about Trump. Cuban turnout for Republicans translated into down-ballot wins for the party. Republican Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez unseated one-term Democrat Rep. Debbie Mucarsel Powell in Florida’s 26th congressional district race. That’s after campaigns and outside groups spent $21.5 million on the race.

In another big **** for Democrats, Rep. Donna Shalala lost to GOP’s Maria Elvira Salazar. It was a dramatic turnaround for Shalala, who beat Salazar in 2018. And further down the ballot, Republicans won big in state House and Senate races in South Florida. The only major victory for Democrats was in the competitive race for county mayor.

“It’s fair to say Miami-Dade is now a purple county. Yeah, it’s competitive,” said Frederick Vélez III, national director of civic engagement for the Hispanic Federation, a nonpartisan Latino organization.

In many ways, the energy for Trump’s reelection among Cubans in Miami was predictable as much of Trump’s support here has long hinged on the appeal he has for his America First, anti-socialist rhetoric. And it’s not just with Cubans — his campaign made a concerted effort to target other South Florida Latinos, like Venezuelans and Nicaraguans, who fled countries with leftist regimes, as well as conservative Colombians.

“Trump did a really good job of staying on message with the socialist, socialist, socialist thing. I don’t necessarily blame the DNC or Biden campaign, but Florida Democrats did not do a good job combating this. They knew better and should have been less focused on Venezuelans and Cubans and more on Puerto Ricans and Black voters,” Vélez said.

Republicans attribute the inroads made in Miami-Dade — a county where more than half of the residents are born outside of mainland U.S., mostly in Latin America — to four years of staying on message. The Trump administration’s repeated visits to Miami to announce new sanctions on Cuba and Venezuela and rhetoric against socialism has always been part of an electoral calculus — not just foreign policy, former administration officials and strategists on both sides of the aisle say.

Trump, for his part, has made his narrow focus on Cuban Americans known in his first term — often coming back or sending officials to South Florida to talk up his hardline Cuba policy. He’s also tied Cuba to Venezuela policy in an effort to court Miami’s growing Venezuelan population to become reliably Republican, too.


Privately, Trump has gone so far as to explicitly tell administration officials that he wanted to keep Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a Cuban American from Miami, and the Cuban American community happy in an effort to ensure a 2020 win in Florida. And publicly, he’s repeatedly touted Cuban American support for him, even inviting veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba to the White House in September to “reaffirm our ironclad solidarity with the Cuban people.”

“We’ve been on the ground quite frankly since 2016. We — Trump, the state party, the local party — never left and that coupled with Trump’s messaging helped,” said Nelson Diaz, chair of the Miami-Dade Republican Party.

Trump also has benefited from recent trends among younger Cubans and recent arrivals from the communist-led island. Grenier’s poll showed that relatively new arrivals from Cuba who immigrated to the United States starting in 2010 were registering Republican over Democrat by a whopping 76 percent to 5 percent.

“Miami Dade is really just less Democratic than it used to be — and that’s because of the groundwork that Republicans have done with Cubans over the years. Republicans have historically been so good at knowing which buttons to push to get attention from Cubans and get everyone on Miami talk radio and media covering it,” Grenier said.

“It’s playing out very well in young arrivals and that’s what you’re seeing this year,” he added.

Local Democrats had been warning Biden’s campaign for months about the former vice president’s tepid support among Democratic-leaning, non-Cuban Latino voters here and throughout the state. And they knew it was even worse coupled with Trump’s outsized support among Cuban Americans.

That’s part of why they mounted a late fight in South Florida to build up support — and they were able to benefit from Michael Bloomberg’s move to spend up to $100 million in ads targeting Florida voters. But many argued it was too late.

Plus, Spanish-speaking residents of South Florida have been inundated for months with disinformation aimed at stunting Biden’s growth with Latino voters. A chunk of the wild conspiracy theories and disinformation being widely shared falsely painted Biden as a socialist and friend of dictators like Venezuela’s Nicolás Maduro and Cuba’s Raul Castro.

“That message just reverberates in South Florida more. It’s like you’re shouting it in a church where it echoes. It always stirs Cubans’ passions up,” Grenier said, adding this year is another lesson for Democrats: “They can keep coming back every four years and whine about what happened with the Cuban vote — or they can try to harness it.”
 
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Venezuela-Iran: ministro Esteri Arreaza, nostre raffinerie in funzione grazie a Teheran
Caracas, 05 nov 17:31 - (Agenzia Nova) - Se le raffinerie del Venezuela funzionano è grazie all'esperienza dell'Iran. Lo ha detto il ministro degli Esteri venezuelano, Jorge Arreaza.
 
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Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has arrived in Venezuela for the start of a tour of Latin America, Venezuela’s foreign ministry said on Wednesday, amid intense efforts by Washington to limit Iran’s influence in the western hemisphere.
Zarif is also scheduled to visit Cuba and to attend the inauguration of Bolivian president-elect Luis Arce, who has said he will strengthen ties with Iran.

He was “received by Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza upon his arrival to the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, where he will carry out an intense work agenda at the highest level,” Venezuela’s foreign ministry wrote on Twitter.
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Tehran has become a crucial ally for Caracas as the United States tightens sanctions meant to force President Nicolas Maduro from power.
Iran has sent two flotillas of fuel tankers to Venezuela this year to help resolve debilitating gasoline shortages in the South American nation, spurred by a collapse in its refining network as well as the sanctions, which have complicated fuel imports from more traditional trade partners.
 
Clausola sì clausola no

Buongiorno colleghi detentori di Bonos...in sintesi accettiamo o no? Il FOL mi sembra più propenso per il NO...
 
Buongiorno colleghi detentori di Bonos...in sintesi accettiamo o no? Il FOL mi sembra più propenso per il NO...

Causa si Causa No
Qualcuno di voi conosce un piccolo fondo per arrivare ai 100 mln di nominali per fare causa a NY? Ai 30-35mln ci arriviamo ma saremmo piccolini.
Chiediamo interessi e capitali e la facciamo finita con queste barzellette etc.
Se la politica non risolve la magistratura interviene :D
 
io non faccio nulla mi sembra il solito cetriolo! ho capito male?
e poi chi accerta la vera percentuale di adesione?
Manduro?:)
 
Io da detentore delle sole 27 non accetto
 
Io non accetto perché mi pare come un gioco delle tre carte, dove ancora devo vederne uno - che non sia il banco truffaldino - che ci vince...
 
Causa si Causa No
Qualcuno di voi conosce un piccolo fondo per arrivare ai 100 mln di nominali per fare causa a NY? Ai 30-35mln ci arriviamo ma saremmo piccolini.
Chiediamo interessi e capitali e la facciamo finita con queste barzellette etc.
Se la politica non risolve la magistratura interviene :D

Non capisco questa insistenza ... se sei convinto che il forum sia frequentato da piccoli gestori professionisti hai sbagliato tutto .
Cosa ti fa pensare che qualche piccolo fondo sia interessato ?
Poi se un piccolo fondo ha 50 mln perderne uno in più cosa vuoi che gli freghi .. non sono soldi loro :o
 
President: Georgia

Trump 49.4% ,2448,183
Biden 49.4% , 2,447,518
Est. 99%


President: Nevada

Biden 49.4% 604,251
Trump 48.5% 592,813
Est. 89%

Per un pugno di dollari ops voti Biden for president:D
 
Secondo alcuni, secondo me a ragione, l'accordo non riguarderebbe la possibilità di interrompere la prescrizione bensì la proposta del VNZ di interrompere il pagamento degli interessi
e del capitale.


Ho trovato questo:

Overwhelmed by an unprecedented crisis, Venezuela proposed to the holders of bonds of the Republic and the state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) to "interrupt" the payment of interest and capital, an action that, in practice, implies a restructuring of the debt.


Travolto da una crisi senza precedenti, il Venezuela ha proposto ai detentori di obbligazioni della Repubblica e alla Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) di proprietà statale di "interrompere" il pagamento degli interessi e del capitale, azione che, in pratica, implica una ristrutturazione del debito.


Premesso che a me la proposta non interessa, ma non è proprio così. Che senso ha fare una proposta dove rinunci agli interessi e al capitale? In pratica dovresti i accettare di perdere tutto. Poi interrompere cosa? Come ho già detto è da tre anni che i pagamenti sono interrotti. Non si può interrompere qualcosa che è già interrotto da tre anni.
Poi è ovvio che il debito va ristrutturato; il problema è quando e come...
 
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Io da detentore delle sole 27 non accetto

Stra-quoto,
le nostre Venezuela 2027 9,25% non hanno nemmeno le clausole di azione collettiva, quindi sul resto delle emissioni già siamo più tutelati ed in ogni caso non decide il Venezuela dato che hanno emesso in dollari ed il nostro titolo è sotto la legge dello stato di New York...Pagheranno come ha pagato l'Argentina.
 
Buon fine settimana a tutti. OK!


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Stra-quoto,
le nostre Venezuela 2027 9,25% non hanno nemmeno le clausole di azione collettiva, quindi sul resto delle emissioni già siamo più tutelati ed in ogni caso non decide il Venezuela dato che hanno emesso in dollari ed il nostro titolo è sotto la legge dello stato di New York...Pagheranno come ha pagato l'Argentina.

ciao,
Mi domando...come potremmo noi sapere con certezza se verrà raggiunto o meno il 75% di adesioni alla proposta venezuelana ed altra domanda, se non si aderisce alla proposta venezuelana si sarà poi comunque costretti a passare per vie legali, non ho ben chiaro come si fosse sviluppata la situazione argentina...
 
President: Georgia

Trump 49.4% ,2448,183
Biden 49.4% , 2,447,518
Est. 99%


President: Nevada

Biden 49.4% 604,251
Trump 48.5% 592,813
Est. 89%

Per un pugno di dollari ops voti Biden for president:D

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10:36 - Elezioni Usa: Biden sorpassa Trump in Georgia
Quando è stato scrutinato il 99% :clap::clap:dei voti Joe Biden passa per la prima volta in vantaggio in Georgia. Ora ha 917 voti in più di Donald Trump. Grazie


7:42 - Elezioni Usa: rafforzata la sicurezza di Biden OK!OK!
Il Secret Service ha inviato una squadra di rinforzi a Wilmington, in Delaware, per aumentare la protezione attorno a Joe Biden e la sua famiglia. Lo riporta il Washington Post. Si tratta di un chiaro segnale che il candidato democratico sarebbe pronto a tenere il discorso della vittoria nella corsa alla Casa Bianca già nelle prossime ore.
 
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